Discussion on the new KSO Trek

Just putting this stub up for discussion/thoughts on the new KSO Trek.  Questions or thoughts - post them here.  This is not to be confused with the thread on *where to buy* the KSO Trek, which is being maintained here:

https://forum.birthdayshoes.com/index.php?topic=255.0
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  • Anyone know what the thickness and grip is of the Trek's compared to the Black Flow's?
    I'm wondering if the Trek's would work better than my Flows or Sprints for rock climbing.
  • Any chance of adding Bikilas to your shopping list?

    Alan
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    Did it ever occur to anybody that Hawkeye wants Treks?

    I pride myself on being perceptive to subtle hints.  :o

    Wouldn't it be funny if after she finally got some she hated them?


    I represent all the women and small footed men who want Treks.

    Oddly enough I'm leaning towards not liking them because the toes are not all leather, which would have made them more water resistant or made of goretex material. Lots of things to nitpick about, but for the most part they look nice and maybe more appropriate for business casual.  
  • Side material aside, I just got ready to head to a family dinner and threw them on with jeans.  Easily the most stylish VFFs to date -- they actually look nice/expensive/high quality -- as opposed to just utilitarian/functional (like all black/brown KSOs). 

    Wonder what my wife will think ...
  • I wonder if the toes were all leather then the thickness between the toes might make them spread uncomfortably, maybe even in a bad way.
  • Ok so I've done some sleuthing involving contacting Barefoot Ted as he's the closest to the source on these things as you can get.

    Here's what I learned from the communication (which apparently is authoritative) - the material on the side of the toes is is not leather because the synthetic material is stretchier than leather, so this stretchiness allows the Treks to be sized for more varied toe sizes (girths?).

    This actually makes a lot of sense not only from a design standpoint -- trying to design foot gloves that fit a variety of feet and toes -- but it also is consistent with the rest of the Trek design.  Stretchy synth material is also utilized around the ankle (see the video for what I mean) where they "panelize" the sides of the ankle and top of the foot (just one monster panel on the top of the foot) and the stretchy material accommodates varieties of feet while still being leather sheathed.

    Of course, that leads one to the next question, well why didn't they panelize the sides of the toes, and I think the answer there is that the added material would seriously muck up the negative space between the toes.

    Finally, I learned that the Treks are not intended to be waterproof, which of course, makes sense as they aren't!

    So I hope this helps answer the question!  And if you have any other questions, let me know (hopefully I explained the above well).

    Probably will repost this elsewhere as I think this question arose on another thread ...
  • Doesn't leather stretch and conform to your body like leather gloves...

    Arguing a moot point.
  • I think he means more of a case of two people having the same length feet, but one of them has much more plump toes, so the synthetic material works better because it's stretchier, allowing both individuals to be able to purchase the same shoe, whereas an all leather shoe would be really uncomfortable or even unwearable to the plump toed fellow.
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    I think he means more of a case of two people having the same length feet, but one of them has much more plump toes, so the synthetic material works better because it's stretchier, allowing both individuals to be able to purchase the same shoe, whereas an all leather shoe would be really uncomfortable or even unwearable to the plump toed fellow.


    That is my understanding.  Even as much as leather would stretch over time, ramming sausage toes into toe pockets until they stretch probably would be uncomfortable.

    But yeah, it is what it is I guess.
  • Just putting this stub up for discussion/thoughts on the new KSO Trek.  Questions or thoughts - post them here.  This is not to be confused with the thread on *where to buy* the KSO Trek, which is being maintained here:

    https://forum.birthdayshoes.com/index.php?topic=255.0
  • Anyone else upset with the choice to make these VFF with animal skins?  Whats up with killing kangaroos for footwear?  I love my KSOs... and supported vibram partially for being non-leather... this sucks - I'm really pissed off.  I think they are going to lose a lot of folks this way... bummer, because i would love the trek otherwise. 
  • Goretex would have been a better choice, but then again it might have retailed for $150 or more.
  • as someone who's played soccer his whole life, Kangaroo leather is my prime choice for a boot so I was personally excited to hear these were made of kangaroo leather. Sorry peta people...
  • Mmm... kangaroo gyro on a pita.

    Wait, what?
  • my fondest memories are in the old city with my grandma and my grandpapa when we'd fire up the grill and roast some kangaroo on the barbie...
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    Anyone else upset with the choice to make these VFF with animal skins?  Whats up with killing kangaroos for footwear?  I love my KSOs... and supported vibram partially for being non-leather... this sucks - I'm really pissed off.  I think they are going to lose a lot of folks this way... bummer, because i would love the trek otherwise.   


    I was pretty upset with their choice in doing Treks in leather and not offering an alternative.  If they offered an alternative, even using the same material as the KSO, I would have purchased it.  I guess they needed to make the Trek different enough to justify the model.  Changing the tread wasn't enough.  I do have a pair on pre-order but wish Vibram would at least offer a choice.  Making the Trek with the existing fabric should be doable for those that have sworn off leather or animal products.  It would probably hurt the sales of the roo leather version too much.
  • the way I understand it, and this is a very non-researched answer, but kangaroos are killed in Australia primarily for the meat; the hide is a byproduct or maybe just a co-product?  In any event, I don't gather that they're just killing kangaroos to make five fingers.

    Having said that, I've always found leather to win out in comfort/durability/style over synthetic materials in footwear, so I was excited about these new leather-made VFFs.

    I'm also an unabashed meat eater -- not only because I enjoy it, but also because I think it's a more appropriate diet for my health (not to derail the discussion into the pros and cons of various diets -- if we want to discuss that we can start a new topic elsewhere!).
  • Sorry to pile on the PETA folks, but the leather Treks are simply awesome.
    Mine got really dirty on a trail run yesterday:  I threw them in the washer and drier, and they came out incredibly soft and comfortable.  Much more so than my fabric KSOs.  I think Vibram nailed this shoe.

    - Pete
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    I think Vibram nailed this shoe.


    Yeah, well, as soon as I can find some 45 blacks I'll let you know.  :p
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    Sorry to pile on the PETA folks, but the leather Treks are simply awesome.
    Mine got really dirty on a trail run yesterday:  I threw them in the washer and drier, and they came out incredibly soft and comfortable.  Much more so than my fabric KSOs.  I think Vibram nailed this shoe.

    - Pete


    seriously!? dryer? man, I'm afraid to put my normal kso's in there much less a leather pair.
  • I don't wash either that often, but I wanted to see what would happen (in the dryer) and I was nicely surprised.  My guess is I'm playing roulette with my warranty, but they sure are softer now.

    - Pete
  • I washed mine by hand in the sink and they cleaned up very well - I'm too scared to throw them in the dryer though!  Having said that, they seem to dry pretty fast on their own accord.
  • I just ordered a pair of brown size 45 Treks from Summit Hut, Tuscan, Arizona. They say they are in stock and I should expect them by sept 22nd. The price was $119.00 with free shipping. I'm not going to get excited until I see them. I'll keep you posted.
  • I'm starting to get a little peeved with the general Vibram community's reaction to the whole kangaroo leather thing. A colossal percentage of shoes are made of leather. It's just animal skin, a by-product of our evolved, omnivorous, meat-eating ways. Yes, they're kangaroos. No, that's not any different from getting leather from a cow. Yes, Australians eat kangaroo meat just like we eat beef. No, the kangaroos won't be "viciously slaughtered" for their hides. Yes, there are still plenty of non-leather Vibram shoes for those of the (entirely respectable) vegan inclination. No, this isn't going to change everything about the shoe we all know and love.

    Phew. That said, I'm excited to invest my hard-earned money in another pair of FiveFingers.
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    I'm starting to get a little peeved with the general Vibram community's reaction to the whole kangaroo leather thing. A colossal percentage of shoes are made of leather. It's just animal skin, a by-product of our evolved, omnivorous, meat-eating ways. Yes, they're kangaroos. No, that's not any different from getting leather from a cow. Yes, Australians eat kangaroo meat just like we eat beef. No, the kangaroos won't be "viciously slaughtered" for their hides. Yes, there are still plenty of non-leather Vibram shoes for those of the (entirely respectable) vegan inclination. No, this isn't going to change everything about the shoe we all know and love.

    Phew. That said, I'm excited to invest my hard-earned money in another pair of FiveFingers.


    ^^^ This.
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